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This is John Shapiro, Pennsylvania's State Attorney General, delivering the findings by the PA Supreme Court Grand Jury, of the systematic sex abuses of children, and coverups, by Roman Catholic pedophile priests and bishops...

Word for word (am leaving out some of the most graphic details) : "Despite raping a child, having her child... stand on a bed in a rectory, pose naked as Christ on the cross for the priests. They took photos of the victim, adding them to a collection, which they produced and shared on church grounds... told alter boys not to wear any clothes under their cassocks because God didn't want any clothes on their skin when they served mass .."

"... a benevolent bishop in another state to take the predator and hiding him from justice... Children were taught that abuse was not only normal, but that it was holy. In each diocese, the bishop had the key to the secret archives, which contained both allegations and admissions of the abuse and the cover-up. Over one-thousand child victims were identified by our investigation. Though the Grand Jury notes that they believe that the number was in the thousands"

Catholic League On Predatory Priests: It’s Not Rape If The Child Isn’t Penetrated

The following opinion is based on commentary beneath the article, academic study, professional work with survivors.. and  the lifelong challenges I’ve experienced from having been the survivor of a Catholic/Lutheran horror which eventually killed my sister... and almost myself.

Catholic Church sexual abuse cases


In my mind, and in the minds of many that I know, the only thing the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) is good for now is for its entire wealth... all its cathedrals, properties, big churches, little churches -- EVERYTHING in the Vatican – some of it built with coerced indulgences and the gold which was pillaged from around the world over its 1700 year history (the Royal Houses of Middle Ages Europe interactively coexisted with the RCC as divinely authorized supreme power)... to be liquidated and given to the victims. By victims I also mean all those First Nations communities around the world who suffered, such as by the conquistadors, who traveled with priests to divine the high moral ground as they raped, pillaged and enslaved.  To get a grasp of that, follow this link to the RCC’s largest fraternal organization, Knights of Columbus.  Just whom are they honoring?

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH OF THE MIDDLE AGES

Understanding Clergy Sexual ‘Abuse’ as Torture

So when Catholics go to church and put money into the plate,  are they perpetuating this horror?  In a world,  which is to an overwhelming degree morally ruled by its economics, in my opinion, yes.  It is a horror that most of its members have been made aware of for decades.  And yet it is still happening, and the justice and help for the victims are still being actively suppressed by the likes of individuals such as Bill Donohue, PhD, director of the Catholic League.

Child abuse: 7% of Australian Catholic priests alleged to be involved

The problem with the RCC is that this horror is systematic and institutionalized, by covering it up and shuffling prredophile priests around, and blaming the victims for stimulating the lusts of priests.  And that has attracted predators into priesthoods, who advance up the hierarchy.  It has been institutionalized in orphanages, schools etc. Even Pope Francis, when Cardinal Pell of Australia came under legal scrutiny for what has been described as "historic sex offenses," appointed him Prefect of the Secretariat for the Economy.  He is currently on trial in Australia.  Here is a comprehensive case list, including alleged (initials only), of Australia's sexual predation of children by clergy: PERP LIST.  It includes all religions, but Catholicism dominates  Please note that most countries in the world may, in various ways by the RCC and government, attempt to suppress such an open expression of this global horror.  The organization also offers advice to victims for how to seek help and justice, and become survivors INFORMATION FOR SURVIVORS

Wealth of Roman Catholic Church impossible to calculate

The point I'm really making is that though it would be irrational for me to think that the RCC would ever divest itself of its history of ill-gotten gains to heal these deep wounds – and also because the Church is made up of huge population groups, most of whose individual members likely are seeking a good moral compass in life -- every active member of the RCC is in effect complicit in this systematic predation of children, proportionate to their passivity, economic support, and re-victimizing such as by Bill Donohue.  It is not enough for the Pope to  dismissively condemn it in a general way. For many that is an insult.  He must take full moral and economic responsibility for it.

Agnes Lorentzen

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  • Anarchis, in terms of the churches... that everyone of them, every member insist, that they bravely look at their priesthoods... and challenge any teachings that objectifies, makes submissive, woman and children... since that's the story which is deep within Abrahamic religions. They are property in ancient economies taken into a modern day context, whether obviously tribal, as in the Muslim communities far away that we judge, or the wife and kids humbly following dad into church and bowing to the big patriarch in the sky... all of which has resulted in women not having the same rights and economic power as men, no matter how modern the country.

    As far as victims becoming empowered survivors... looking back at the fears I had when I finally left home... that's the toughest, because I had no idea how to break through that conditioned, brainwashing so to speak, fear of never telling anyone. So since this is such a widespread problem all over the world, that every nation establish an easy and empathetic means for children and adult survivors to get help and justice, to have instant access to everything that can help heal... and require religions to be taxed to pay for that. To establish laws that prevent abuse even in terms of what's being indoctrinated, no matter how well justified. That would be based on the scientific evidence of the brain's vulnerabilities as the neurosynaptic architecture becomes wired in childhood. We have laws that prevent poisons in our foods that can damage the body, based on scientific evidence and its cost to society. Why allow this poison to propagate and damage children's brains, the next generation’s decision makers... from repetitive sermons etc. which demand submission to some imaginary alpha male in the sky, which sexual predators see as a weakness to be exploited, and economically exploited in our socioeconomies, top-down, no different than lions going after the weakest prey in a flock. The scientific evidence is there, and its impacts upon society is legion.

    I understand fully how intensely difficult this would be to even consider in countries that have the mantric message, "In God we trust," repeated everywhere and from all media, including a dollar bill, where again it’s economic. But it is pure poison to the brain. And that seems like a hopeless proposition... and still, that anthropogenic *meteor* is closing in. Can we really become rational enough to problem solve that in time? it is so related to the brain damage of childhood, which most don't see as brain damage, unless a rape is discovered. I'm probably not making sense, going all over the place. But that's the nature of a complex system. It's not linear, but deeply interactive into the macrosystem of human civilization. To me it is simple to analyze, but difficult to express due to how the abuses I experienced is very inhibitive. It's emotionally entangled.

  • Another important thing to understand about all this, which I've expressed for years in various ways, is that all this should work as a sort of bellwether for society, or more accurately, the canary birds coal miners took with them to expose toxic gas. All this with pedophile predators in religions should signal a warning about how toxic religion can be, and take appropriate, life-saving action.

  • I completely agree with you and all your suggestions for taking action make a whole lot of sense to me. It truly is a matter of securing public health, and I wonder if we are living at a time when things will change significantly or they will devolve. Personally, I don't think we can afford to let go, we have to keep pushing to help adult survivors and children being abused alike, and we must do so relentlessly - we have no other choice, in my mind. It will take so much work, resistance will likely become even bigger and distractions will abound, but we just can't stop.

    Looking forward to the day when all religions will be dying in the infamous ditch of history for the toxic, ignorant, dangerous cancers they are.

    Sending you much love and thanks for your article and this great conversation.

  • Well put, and thank you for evoking some healthy thinking

  • Another important thing to understand about all this, which I've expressed for years in various ways, is that all this should work as a sort of bellwether for society, or more accurately, the canary birds coal miners took with them to expose toxic gas. All this with pedophile predators in religions should signal a warning about how toxic religion can be, and take appropriate, life-saving action. There is enough evidence in interdisciplinary sciences to that effect, empirically in neuroscience… and since our planet and civilization is under threat by a history of human behavioral patterns anchored in our beliefs, and political/socioeconomic systems, take appropriate action as a matter of securing public health
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  • I don't even know where to begin. I can't excuse it. Covering up, building a culture that protected only perpetrators and ensured a supply of more victims - A few words will not be enough to correct this and no one, who does not demand they are held to account, is anything less than an accomplice.

  • Did you ever see this movie, Stephanie
    video embed is messingt with me. I'll try again later so you can see ihe from within here.

    It's called "Spotlight," and feels a bit like "All the President's Men," with Robert Redford. Spotlight is based on the true story of a group of journalists who ran a special investigative section of the Bostoin Globe, called, Spotlightt. And it's the story of uncovering a predatror priest conspiracy in the Boston Archdiocese.


    https://youtu.be/56jw6tasomc

  • I had not seen it but I have heard of it. However, and it grieves me to say, I have no trouble believing any of this. I was raised in a different religion (Mormon) and, although I never suffered abuse from anyone who was part of the church, I did with an uncle (though not anything approaching the horrors of your experience), who even now, my relatives insist it couldn't have done so despite the number of victims.

    My father, by a strange coincidence, was the most feminist man I've ever met and fed me literature and data about rapists and other sexual predators so I would be informed and not fall prey. That rape culture--often extended to children--that causes many to assume physical power involves the right to do whatever one chooses, where insisting that dominance be sacrosanct, where excuses to do excuse and dismiss any wrongdoing of the perpetrator is embedded in a collective psyche, often with people who should know better. And, whether many want to admit it or not, much of it is born from religion.

    I can't fix it all but I will not be silent or stand by. I will not give it tacit approval with my apathy. When I write fiction, I'm cognizant about the dangers of this mindset and make conscious decisions to parts of this culture as the monstrous behavior it is. I will do all I can to ensure I am not a part of the problem. I'm grieved by how many women perpetuate rape culture and I don't want to do that.

  • Stephanie, It's a bit hard to follow and comment as in threads here. I wrote this comment a few days ago in response to your last writing, but just saw that it was technically a response to myself, which means you didn't get a notification. So here it is again.

    >>I can't fix it all but I will not be silent or stand by. I will not give it tacit approval with my apathy. When I write fiction, I'm cognizant about the dangers of this mindset and make conscious decisions to parts of this culture as the monstrous behavior it is. I will do all I can to ensure I am not a part of the problem. I'm grieved by how many women perpetuate rape culture and I don't want to do that.<<

    Wow, right on! More power to you! You are one hell of a good writer.

  • Wish the thread commentary boxes would stay a reasonable size--- so I'll answer above your last comment, Stephanie.

    I'm so sorry your uncle did that. Horrible and criminal!

    Wow, what a dad you had, and in the Mormon faith, no less.

    I learned long ago that you can't really subjectively compare one another's abuse histories. It's so relative. How do I compare what my sister and I endured with what child Holocaust survivors endured?

    The Mormon faith requires parents to nurture their children according to the will of the Church. Subconsciously and unconsciously, that hugely impacts the children's brain development, especially if a girl within a patriarchy, and in a way that a group of sciences could easily analyze as abuse, especially if functional MRI can look at stimulus-response circuitry. Nurture without abuse, in my opinion, requires parents to raise their children with the facts of life in the world as it is (which obviously your dad did well, kind of going against his faith), give them the tools, inspiration, socialization and education that reinforces that... so they can confidently go into the adult world free and empowered for a lifetime of continuously bettering themselves (neuroplasticity), in relation to a fast changing world that desperately needs as many social minds to problem and thrive. Religion is a huge inhibitor of that.

    You know, to hear you talk about your dad that way made my day. Made me so happy.